The DefeatDD team was recently invited to join the Faecal Sludge Management Alliance (FSMA) for a discussion on their podcast, FSMA Presents, with award-winning science journalist and author Chelsea Wald. In Pipe Dreams: The Urgent Global Quest to Transform the Toilet, Wald describes the history, current state, and future possibilities around sanitation systems and the toilet's untapped potential to improve health, environment, economies, and equality. 

Listen below to hear Chelsea Wald, FSMA’s Michaela Rose, and DefeatDD’s Laura Kallen discuss all things sanitation, ranging from toilet innovations to child health to gender equity – and what you can do to help realize the “loo-topia” vision of universal safe sanitation.